james.bck
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Sat Oct 14,2017 01:51 PM

Ok so basically we have this presentation that we gotta do in less than 2 weeks and I have no idea what do cuz I have a real shit teacher.

So the like “main subject” that we’re on is history. We were all given random knowledge questions and mine is:
“How can one gauge the extent to which history is told from a cultural or national perspective?”

So I kinda understand what the question means but I’m stuck on finding a real life situation and understanding what a real life situation is in this context. Obviously something in real life but our teacher said stuff like: it should be something that’s still in current news (current meaning this century I think) and shouldn’t be based on a debate but more about different methodologies of how the history was made. I think it’s talking about the different ways of knowing (reason, emotion, faith, etc.) but I’m unsure.

Help would really be appreciated!!!
quizletis
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Sat Oct 14,2017 10:28 PM

We did something in ToK about how history is remembered in different cultures and countries through memorials... had to analyse the confederate statue issue in the US and how the holocaust is remembered in Germany and ish. Idk if that helps
james.bck
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Sun Oct 15,2017 09:54 AM

Nah not really but thx
orlcchr
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Sun Oct 15,2017 01:50 PM

I think that the prompt asks you to explore how different perspectives affect historical narratives. Given that you have been asked to consider current issues: one could think of a few. For example, the Kurdish referendum and their push for independence, the Catalan one, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, global warming, issues about colonialism. Perhaps Cold War (orthodox, revisionists, post revisionists), maybe climate change, or the recent hurricanes, the invasion of Iraq, etc. These are all issues where different stake holders may view the situation very differently, given their perspective. Now, where does perspective come from? Does language affect it? What about emotion? Imagination? Which works may be relevant in shaping perspective?

Once you have established whether different stake holders have different points of view - you should conclude that it is remarkable that given access to the same facts (in the most part - this can be a nice counter point for example info is very controlled in the DPRK) experts can reach different conclusions.

So we are at a crossroads. The prompt then asks you to gauge to what extend are these narratives affected by perspective? I find that confusing because any attempt to gauge is also itself influenced by perspective... how do you choose to assess historical narratives is riddled with the same problems that face the situations you are trying to assess. As EH Carr used to say we need to remember that historians are also products of history. Let me know if this was helpful.
james.bck
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Sun Oct 15,2017 02:01 PM

@orlcchr lol now I’m more confused than before
james.bck
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Sun Oct 15,2017 02:02 PM

All I can say is our tok teacher told me it can’t be something to do with politics
james.bck
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Sun Oct 15,2017 02:04 PM

But thx for the real life situation suggestions I’ll research them a bit. Maybe that will help me understand this shit a little better....
orlcchr
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Sun Oct 15,2017 02:05 PM

I guess you could address issues regarding methods. What methods do historians use... and so forth
james.bck
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Thu Oct 19,2017 03:19 PM

would the Catalan conflict be considered political
orlcchr
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Thu Oct 19,2017 05:11 PM

I guess it would. I can think of many in history that wouldn’t. Current ones could include some debates in natural sciences.


What isn’t political ?
shannengranger
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Mon Oct 23,2017 09:28 AM

Lol goodluck with that. Im pretty confused just by reading ur post
shannengranger
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Mon Oct 23,2017 09:29 AM

Im going to have a tok presentation next week as well and tbh got no clue on what to do abt it
Ysgramor
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Sat Oct 28,2017 08:39 PM

@Dude, you need really good luck. But I have some advice to you. Ask your teacher if real life situation(rls) really has to be "current" because I don't understand that part either. If you can use rls from past, then you can check for Hittite vs Ancient Egypt Wars. I mean,How they record this war?(Historical writing). I hope my answer will be helpful.
Good Luck!

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